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July 16

Portal:Current events/2025 July 16
July 16, 2025 (2025-07-16) (Wednesday)

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July 15

Portal:Current events/2025 July 15

July 15, 2025 (2025-07-15) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Southern Syria clashes, Israel and the Syrian civil war Israeli warplanes strike Syrian troops as they attempt to enter the Druze city of Suwayda in southern Syria. (Reuters) (The Times) Somali Civil War Constitutional crisis in Somalia The Puntland interior ministry reports at least five militant casualties in Dhahar, Haylan region following a coordinated campaign as Puntland’s defence forces repels an assault backed by the Somali federal government. (Idil News) (Garowe Online) International relations Indonesia–United States relations U.S. President Donald Trump announces a new trade deal with Indonesia, where Indonesia will purchase $15 billion in energy and $4.5 billion in agricultural products, along with 50 Boeing jets. Indonesia will also allow importation of US products without tariffs, while the US will maintain a 19% tariff on all goods coming from Indonesia. (Financial Times)

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RD: Bradley John Murdoch

Article: Bradley John Murdoch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Canberra TimesThe Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit), JackofOz (talk · give credit), Derek R Bullamore (talk · give credit) and Moist hammer (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Good riddance. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:51, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article quality is sufficient. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:00, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

July 14

Portal:Current events/2025 July 14

July 14, 2025 (2025-07-14) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War, United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine United States president Donald Trump announces that several NATO allies will buy U.S.-made weapons, including Patriot air defense missile systems to provide to Ukraine. (NPR) (Axios) Disasters and accidents A Mil Mi-8 helicopter carrying five people goes missing after contact with its pilot is lost shortly after refueling in Okhotsk, Khabarovsk Krai, Russia. (Aviation Safety Network) (The Kyiv Independent) Law and crime Rapes of Gisèle Pelicot Gisèle Pelicot is awarded the Legion of Honour award, the highest civil order of merit in France, for her courage in testifying in the case about her decades-long sexual abuse. (DW) Twenty-four U.S. states file a joint lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Education in an attempt to reverse freezing of education funding ahead of the start of the school year. (NPR)

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RD: Fauja Singh

Article: Fauja Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tribune
Credits:

• Nominated by Joseph2302 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: couple of citations needed, then should be good to do Joseph2302 (talk) 13:32, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Support only seeing one CN tag, news articles did talk about his death, and otherwise his article looks decent. Scuba 22:31, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: David Kaff

Article: David Kaff (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs expansion but sources are widely available. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:45, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose article, in the shape it is now, is rough. Scuba 22:31, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: John MacArthur (American pastor)

Article: John MacArthur (American pastor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KHTS Christianity Today The Christian Post
Credits:

• Nominated by RadioKAOS (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Highly influential pastor and Bible teacher.  RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 03:02, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

• Dang, you beat me to it! Currently orange tagged, I can't support right now, but hopefully more secondary sources will come out releasing info about him. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 05:52, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose orange tagged. Scuba 22:32, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Andrea Gibson

Article: Andrea Gibson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Denver Westword
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:4D5:ACEF:BE57:41DA (talk · give credit)
• Updated by GorillaWarfare (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American poet and activist, Poet Laureate of Colorado. 240F:7A:6253:1:4D5:ACEF:BE57:41DA (talk) 20:20, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support looks good citation wise ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 21:49, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Support article looks good, no glaring issues and even the discography is cited. Scuba 22:32, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

• Note: Just expanded it somewhat, and also went through and replaced dead or poor quality citations. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 23:51, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article quality is sufficient. Marking as ready. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:15, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: B. Saroja Devi

Article: B. Saroja Devi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TOI [1] Deccanherald
Credits:

• Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Msclrfl25 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian actress Spworld2 (talk) 4:15, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Orange sourcing tag. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:23, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose Orange tagged. Scuba 22:33, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

July 13

Portal:Current events/2025 July 13

July 13, 2025 (2025-07-13) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Gaza war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, 2025 Gaza Strip aid distribution killings Israeli strikes kill at least 30 people, including six children, at a water collection zone, bringing the official death toll in Gaza to over 58,000. (AP) Syrian civil war Southern Syria clashes More than 30 people are killed and 100 others are injured in clashes between pro-government forces and Druze fighters in Suwayda, Suwayda Governorate, Syria. (Sky News) (The Straits Times) Allied Democratic Forces insurgency Islamic State-affiliated Allied Democratic Forces insurgents kill at least 66 people in Territory of Irumu, in the Ituri Province of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. (AP) Sudanese civil war At least 48 civilians are killed, houses are razed and property is looted in an attack when Rapid Support Forces fighters storm the village of Um Garfa in North Kordofan, Sudan. (Barron's) Somali Civil War 2025 Shabelle offensive Al-Shabaab militants have claimed the takeover of Tardo Village in the Hiiraan region of Somalia’s Hirshabelle state, which was previously captured by Ma'awisley fighters and the Somali National Army in September 2022. (Garowe Online) Disasters and accidents 2025 Arizona wildfires The Grand Canyon Lodge in Arizona, United States, is destroyed by the Dragon Bravo Fire. (AP) 2025 Fall River assisted-living fire Nine people are killed and more than 30 others are injured, including five firefighters, in a fire at an assisted living facility in Fall River, Massachusetts, United States. (WPRI-TV) Zeusch Aviation Flight 1 A Beechcraft King Air B200 aircraft crashes and catches fire shortly after taking off from London Southend Airport in Southend-on-Sea, England, killing all four people onboard. (NOS) (The Independent) A bus plunges into a ravine near Chakri, Pakistan, killing six and injuring 38. (The Express Tribune) Law and crime 2025 Lexington shootings At least three people, including the perpetrator, are killed, and three others are injured, including a state trooper and one critically, in two spree shootings in Lexington, Kentucky, United States. (NBC News) (BNO News) Three people are killed in a raid by the Haitian National Police on drug traffickers, seizing 1,045 kilograms of cocaine on a boat near Tortuga, Nord-Ouest, Haiti. (Miami Herald) Sports 2025 FIFA Club World Cup In association football, English club Chelsea F.C. win the FIFA Club World Cup for the second time, defeating French club Paris Saint-Germain 3–0 in the final. Chelsea winger Cole Palmer is awarded the tournament's Golden Ball. (FIFA) 2025 Major League Baseball draft In baseball, the MLB draft is held at the Coca-Cola Roxy in Cumberland, Georgia, U.S., with the Washington Nationals selecting Eli Willits as the first overall pick. At the age of 17, Willits becomes the 3rd youngest player in MLB draft history to be selected first overall. (ESPN) 2025 Wimbledon Championships In tennis, Jannik Sinner defeats his rival and defending champion Carlos Alcaraz in the men's singles final 4–6, 6–4, 6–4, 6–4 to win his first Wimbledon title. Sinner is the first Italian player to win a singles title at Wimbledon. (ESPN)

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RD: Jim Clancy (baseball)

Article: Jim Clancy (baseball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/jim-clancy-death-toronto-blue-jays-pitcher-mlb-1.7584936
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The prose is there, but poorly sourced. Help with referencing is needed. 205.189.58.93 (talk) 02:38, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

• Needs a lot of work. Natg 19 (talk) 08:03, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose due to insufficient sourcing. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:19, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Clashes between Bedouins and Druze in Syria

Article: Southern Syria clashes (July 2025–present) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Clashes between Bedouins and Druze in Syria have left at least 89 people killed (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Wi1-ch (talk · give credit)

 Wi1-ch (talk) 18:44, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Support on notability, oppose on quality Worrying development with significant casualties, though the proposed blurb and article is kinda rough around the edges. NotKringe (talk) 05:43, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support - Quite a bit of recent and continuing improvement on this article leads me to support a blurb. As noted, the proposed blurb needs improving, including a link to the target article. Jusdafax (talk) 19:53, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb but support ongoing - Several tagged sentences as well. This seems like something we'd post at ongoing instead of as a blurb. — ^EF⁵ 20:02, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

    Usually we first post something as a blurb and keep it in Ongoing if it's a longer-lasting topic. What's the rationale for shoving it straight to Ongoing? Khuft (talk) 20:19, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

    …I didn’t know that, but surely you could’ve said that in a less hostile way? ^EF⁵ 20:28, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

    Apologies if it did come across as hostile. Was not my intention. Khuft (talk) 21:17, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

    You're fine, I just wasn't sure how to interpret your message. :) — ^EF⁵ 21:20, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose to my knowledge, we didn't post the Southern Syria clashes (April–May 2025), so why should we post this flare-up? Scuba 22:29, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) 2025 FIFA Club World Cup final

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2025 FIFA Club World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, the FIFA Club World Cup concludes with Chelsea F.C. defeating Paris Saint-Germain FC in the final. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In association football, Chelsea F.C. win the FIFA Club World Cup, defeating Paris Saint-Germain in final (man of the match Cole Palmer pictured).
Alternative blurb II: ​ Chelsea F.C. defeat Paris Saint-Germain 3–0 to win the final of the FIFA Club World Cup.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)
• Updated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)

 Heatrave (talk) 20:22, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Really? The game isn’t even over yet. ^EF⁵ 20:27, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Support Finished now; but write the blurb better next time. ArionStar (talk) 21:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I retain my oppose even after the match is over, mainly per all others below. WP:ITNSIGNIF is the biggest reason, however, this simply isn’t important enough to post. ^EF⁵ 12:50, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Strong support. It finally feels like this tournament has a credible purpose in football. To prove on the pitch what we basically already suspect is the case. That the European club sides are the best in the world, with not even South Americans able to touch them when it matters, in the money rounds, even in favourable conditions (climate, location, domestic schedule). But within European football, success is anything but guaranteed. Teams as seemingly unstoppable as PSG this season, and as rich in talent as Real Madrid, can be defeated by a decent manager. And even teams as mighty as Manchester City, can hit hard times so bad they can't even beat a team from Saudi Arabia when it matters. And last but not least, if a superstar player leaves a European side for pastures beyond UEFA, it's probably because they're longer a world beater. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 21:41, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Strong Support: Chelsea became first club in history to win and will wear FIFA Club World Cup champions special badge on their shirt for the next four years.

QalasQalas (talk) 21:42, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose A new tournament which has been widely ridiculed by fans and in the media, and which has zero credibility. There are dozens of football tournaments which are more prestigious than this mickey mouse rubbish. Wikipedia isn't just PR for Fifa and Infantino, with all their corruption. Effy Midwinter (talk) 21:50, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  This is organised by FIFA and is equivalent to the World Cup at the club level. This is not a PR puff piece. And next time, engage from a neutral point of view. You seem pained. You might be an Arsenal fan or worst Madrid fan so i understand the agony. But that's just by the way. Heatrave (talk) 22:41, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  Should Liam Delap have turned down becoming a club world champion with Chelsea to instead become a European Under-21 champion with England? The football world has shifted, and now even international tournaments with prestige are losing out to a so called Mickey Mouse affair. It's not the money, it's the glory, the profile, the impact it can have on your career. Fans of other clubs who dont even make the starting gate might not like it, but fans have never been in control of which tournaments matter and which don't. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 22:50, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose If this is meant to be the club equivalent to the FIFA World Cup, then FIFA should create a valid qualification process instead of using some rankings with vague methodology that is superficially explained. After staring at 2025 FIFA Club World Cup qualification#UEFA, it’s still unclear why clubs like Liverpool, RB Leipzig and Barcelona were omitted even though the table shows that they rank higher than clubs that were admitted, which leads to the conclusion that clubs were practically cherry-picked for this tournament. Maybe this has potential to become more competitive and credible in the future, but, as of now, it’s only an ‘invitational’ tournament.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:58, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  The two finalists Chelsea and PSG both had to win the champions league to qualify. Same with Manchester City and Real Madrid. Mamelodi Sundowns qualified by winning the CAF.

  Yes not all the participating teams had to win the continental cups but 80% did over the period between 2021 and 2025. So the fact that a few teams got their on merit doesn't invalidate the entire tournament.

  Heatrave (talk) 00:17, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  If true, why would FIFA cherry pick Chelsea but leave behind Liverpool? CFCFOUREVA (talk) 06:27, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

It looks like the actual answer to Kiril Simeonovski's question is this: A restriction of two clubs per association will be applied, with an exception for champion clubs if more than two clubs from the same association win their confederation's top club competition. And because Man City and Chelsea were selected from the PL, Liverpool (and any other possible English squads) was excluded, in favor of lower ranked clubs from different leagues. Natg 19 (talk) 06:33, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

@Natg 19: I don't think it's true given that four Brazilian clubs entered the tournament. Is this explained in reliable sources so that it can end up in the article?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:49, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

The 4 Brazilian clubs is explained because each of those clubs won the Copa Liberatores in the past four years: 2025 FIFA Club World Cup qualification#CONMEBOL. This article from the FIFA website says something similar to the prose I quoted earlier: A cap of two clubs per country is applied to the access list with the exception in case more than two clubs from the same country win the confederation’s premier club competition over the four-year period. I must agree that this is an odd qualification process, but it does seem like it was not "cherry-picked" per se. Natg 19 (talk) 06:53, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

But Inter Miami CF entered the tournament so that Messi can play. Fair enough. Unless FIFA create a valid qualification process similar to the one for the FIFA World Cup, this tournament cannot be considered significant enough for ITN.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:02, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Inter Miami qualified as the host nation's representative (the host always had a team in the CWC). This spot was awarded based on their winning USA's most recent season (the English Premier League table kind (as is traditional) not the FA Cup kind or Super Bowl kind God you soccer ppl have so many kinds of champions, Aperturas and Clausuras and Recopas and Supercopas and UEFA Cup Losers' Cups like Europa Leagues or Europa Cups and ones where one of the kinds of US champions plays the same kind of Mexican champion once a year and like 4 flavors of championships per continent just for un age-restricted males countries) where they had the most points (the 3 per win 1 per draw kind). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:45, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support — FIFA is now treating this competition as the club equivalent of the international World Cup (with the 32-team format played every 4 years instead of the 7-team format every single year), practically considering it to be an entirely new competition now. Coupled with the attention it's been receiving, it would seem fair to include a blurb on ITN. Writing off the competition as "PR for FIFA" is unconstructive and overly dismissive. Aria1561 (talk) 02:34, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is nowhere near the calibre of the Champions League or the South American equivalent. Reliable sources have been presenting it as a mix of a bit of summer fun and an annoying distraction for the clubs rather than a serious competition.  — Amakuru (talk) 03:29, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Which reliable sources say that final was a bit of summer fun? They literally had a fight on the pitch, so upset were PSG at having been beaten. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 06:25, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Well, maybe they don't explicitly say "summer fun", but lots of sources imply strongly that it's not a serious competition.[3][4][5][6] In fact, "fun" was a misnomer on my part because I don't think anyone apart from FIFA officials and maybe Donald Trump actually enjoyed the thing.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:29, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Do you have any sources from today though? Now that we can see the final was a sellout, and we can see how much the Chelsea players enjoyed beating PSG, how annoyed PSG were to be beaten, and what a fantastic display of top level football by the most elite players it really was. The game was high quality, the win was well deserved and has been widely praised by football analysts [7]. And since it seems to have finally seen the Chelsea manager Enzo Maresca being accepted as a master tactician and all round elite coach by his own fans, something that wasn't said after his supposedly more important defeat of Real Betis to win the third least important European tournament (the UEFA Conference League), and you can certainly say he enjoyed it, as well as all his players and staff. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 11:53, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  And if anything, it's been this tournament that has firmly ended any talk of the South American clubs being all that, for another few years yet. They will be fuming that they all were found wanting when it mattered, despite having perfect conditions. A home fan vibe in the stadiums, weather conditions exactly like their own, a tournament at their peak seasonal fitness, and all the world watching. The only way South American reliable sources will be dismissimg this as a bit of summer fun now, is through extreme sour grapes. They cared more about the European clubs, and they all clearly cared this time around too. Supestar players like Thomas Muller, Luka Modric, they're gutted to have not done better for their final swansong. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 06:42, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  How does that jive with Chelsea getting at least $116 million and $37.66 million for its farm teams $40 million for winning the final alone supposedly it won 111 million pounds of money in all? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support per FIFA. See match highlights here.

Fabvill (Talk to me!) 09:45, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Comment Does anyone seriously believe Cole Palmer (or his representatives) sees more sporting merit or cachet in having won the third ranked European club tournament beating a side nobody can even remember (Real Betis fwiw), or becoming a world champion by beating, comprehensively, the reigning European champions, PSG? He left Man City to reach these heights, rather than be a little used squad player in the world's best team (until they weren't). — Preceding unsigned comment added by CFCFOUREVA (talk • contribs) 06:34, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose There's no prose describing the actual game. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:50, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose quality is not there- no prose on the final article, and the main article is absolute junk with no tournament prose, rather a "storylines" section. Also not convinced this meets WP:ITNSIGNIF, as it's not as important/ well covered/ attended as the WP:ITNR club football events like the Champions League and Copa Libertadores. The fact that they had to almost give tickets away and played in half empty stadia suggests that this competition isn't comparable to the Champions League. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:38, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  But if you played all the Champions League games in the USA, you would almost certainly have to give away tickets and watch half empty stadia. But if the World Club Championship was played in Europe, I'd say every game would be a sellout, even games where an Arab team is playing an Oceanic team. You cannot judge the importance of this tournament based on where it was played. The next FCWC one might be in Morocco/Spain/Portugal, so what I said is not a theoretical. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 11:30, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  All of that is speculation, the facts are that I do not believe this meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Also, please stop WP:BLUDGEONing this discussion my commenting on everything that is against your opinion. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:32, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Well I will simply note then that you didn't actually provide any proof that every single game of the Copa Libertadores or indeed the Champions League is a sell out, regardless of where it is played or who is playing. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 12:50, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  And I will note that I did- and that you're an editor with 17 edits, all of which are on this thread. No reply is required and [{WP:BLUDGEON]] still applies to all your endless commenting here. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:17, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Glorified FIFA-sanctioned friendly tournament, with opaque rules and a good measure of sportswashing thrown in. Chelsea winning the UEFA Conference League is more of a sporting achievement, with arguably a higher standard of opponent overall. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:51, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  80,000 screaming fans and a fight on the pitch because the standout favourite lost, badly, and the winner taking home enough prize money to buy any player in the world, and you seriously think that is what most soccer fans think of when they say "glorified friendly"? The only part of this tournament that was artificial in its glory, was the ridiculous player introductions, the ridiculous "let's get ready to rumble", the ridiculous half time show, and the ridiculous VIP guest of honour. But if you think that's what defines the glory of a tournament better than what happens on the pitch, prepare to be disgusted, because apparently all that's going to be repeated for the FIFA World Cup next year. But in 2029 it will hopefully not be present, but the teams will be trying just as hard to win that tournament as they did this time. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 11:39, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Funny you mention prize money, because this is exactly what it is about; money, solely money, as the clubs selected have been on merchandising and financial power rather than sporting merit, although somewhat convoluted to make it less obvious. The very things you mentioned as "ridiculous" are Americanisms that are not part of football at all usually. It's a Franken-tournament. There were 80 000 spectators but the vast majority weren't fans as understood in the context football culture. How many of them would have been there regardless of who was in the final? How many hold Chelsea or PSG season tickets? How many are even near from Paris or London? How many can even name a club like Fulham, one of Chelsea's closest geographical rivals, or name a PSG player from before they were taken over by a petro-state? Abcmaxx (talk) 14:00, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  I think you might be a bit behind the times, to say the least. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 14:10, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Whilst I am sure FIFA would like this to rival the Champions League and its equivalent, I think the actual reaction to the tournament shows that few people really care apart from the supporters of the actual teams. Most of the early stages of the tournament were hardly reported on at all, except when there was a shock result (Man City) or when there was something farcical (the Chelsea 2-hour lightning delay). I went to my local pub last night while the final was on, and they had the England v Wales women's football on instead! More relevantly, the main sports pages here in the UK, less than 24 hours later, are far more interested in the cricket and the women's football (indeed the only stories about the CWC above the fold of the BBC Sport website are one criticising the competition and one about the scuffle after the match). Black Kite (talk) 11:56, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  And yet it's been all over TalkSport, who have barely discussed even Wimbledon, let alone women's football or men's rugby. Its even edging out cricket, and that's with a match actually in progress right now. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 12:46, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Please stop WP:BLUDGEONing the discussion. We get it, you think it was significant enough to post, but you don’t need to try to sway every other “oppose” vote. ^EF⁵ 12:48, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Sorry, I assumed this was a discussion where you were supposed to exhange views to come to a mutually agreed set of facts, or at the very least a majority opinion that can be respected even by those who disagreed. Like it or not, this was not a glorified set of friendlies or a summer of fun FIFA party that nobody else in football cares about, and that's never going to be true no matter how many people say it. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 12:55, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  There's a big difference between trying to build consensus and bludgeoning. Responding to every oppose vote with "b-b-b-but" is not taken very nicely and will only lead to more opposes. Aydoh8^{[what have I done now?]} 13:23, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Hopefully people have more integrity than that. This should stand or fall on the facts and quality of argument, not the feels. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 14:15, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Terrible argument anyway. TalkSport follows the money from armchair fans, after all their owners Sky Sports are the creators of this big money football that's so far removed from communities and ordinary sport in favour of entertainment. Also BBC 5live have the rights to Wimbledon so they're hardly going to promote an event with live commentary available from their biggest direct competitor. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:53, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  The BBC is legally obliged to report on anything that entertains, informs and educates, without bias. With that in mind, here's their seemingly pretty fair assessment of this tournament's success [8]. To sum up: the "majority" of games in the knockout rounds were "well attended', with very good reasons behind lower attendances in the group stage (timing, weather, pricing). The fans who did attend seemed to have a good time. Teams were largely motivated by the prize money but players also wanted to win. "Purely in football terms, the tournament could be considered a success." It was probably no different to so called better tournaments in that regard. Audience buy in was huge in Saudi Arabia and South America. Visitors to BBC Sport were half what the Champions League gets, but "those are still big figures compared to many lesser followed competitions and sports." CFCFOUREVA (talk) 17:06, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  The Mamelodi Sundowns game had an attendance lower than seen in amateur football in many countries. Success can be measured in other ways than solely monetary. Yes, the big money flowed, corporate pockets filled to the brim, and there was lots of fireworks and merchandise on sale and plenty of popcorn sold, but it's been widely reported as a flop which football world widely ridiculed and shunned. European fans didn't even bother turning up, which is unusual given even very small teams have fanbases that happily travel hundreds of kilometres each week, even for friendlies, and as far as several thousands kilometres away sometimes if continental competitions take them there. The opening rounds of European cup qualifiers look better in comparison and most league seasons haven't started yet. "Huge in Saudi Arabia" doesn't mean anything, it's not a traditional footballing nation and has a league consisting of 3 state-owned teams with huge salaries but not much else and attendances compared to 4th tier of English football for example. It's another bubble like the one in China few years ago. Some things money can't buy and prestige in a football cup competition is one of them. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:25, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  "it's been widely reported as a flop which football world widely ridiculed and shunned.". I just literally posted a BBC story that totally contradicts this. It was a controversial tournament, but it wasn't shunned and it hasn't flopped. Even the ridicule has largely stopped after the final presumably surprised a lot of people by being so good (in pure footballing terms). People aren't rolling around in fits of laughter that Chelsea are now the "World Champs of Football", not in England anyway. They are begrudgingly accepting that if they want the right to dispute that, they probably should have organised their own tournament (legally allowed after the Super Cup ruling). Because there can certainly be no doubt now that PSG are not the best team in the world simply by virtue of winning the most prestigious club tournament, the Champions League. I've heard excuses being made for PSG, but they read as just that, excuses. Chelsea by contrast are getting credit for doing what needed to be done to win this tournament - have a big squad, managing the conditions and having the right tactics to beat each opponent you are drawn against. Just like the FIFA World Cup, UEFA Champions League and Premier League. Whereas, as people seem to be figuring out now, a Premier League club can get to at least the semi final of UEFA's third ranked tournament, just by turning up. Four out of four in the new format. That's not tournament football, that's the big money TV vehicle you're complaining about. Reliable repeatable venues for UEFA and tbeir partners, especially the clubs who enter. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 18:01, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Comment CFCFOUREVA should be blocked per WP:NOTHERE as all of their 15 edits were made to illustrate a point through bludgeoning in this particular nomination. We get it that someone created a scrutiny-evading single-purpose account just to game the process.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:24, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  I’d suggest bringing it to WP:ANI as the bludgeoning continues. ^EF⁵ 14:22, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality and notability per above. General lack of prose, and despite FIFA's insistence this tournament doesn't seem to be as important as it's billed to be. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:20, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Comment. Someone above mentioned the BBC Sport website. It's worth noting that stories about the CWC are currently in the top of 3 of the main Sport home page. But probably more significantly, they comprise 6 of the 12 main stories on their Football page, including the top three. Here they are in order (top to bottom) (* denotes a CWC related story):

1. What has Club World Cup taught us before 2026 World Cup?*

2. Fifa hailing of Club World Cup 'a fiction' says player union*

3. Chelsea can win league or Champions League - Colwill*

4. Goals galore and hope for hosts - takeaways from Euro 2025 group stage

5. 'I thought Trump was going to exit stage - but he wanted to stay'*

6. Have England got lucky by finishing second?

7. How Premier League spending compares with 50 days of window left

8. Defender Tuanzebe sues former club Man Utd

9. PSG 'lost their heads' after final - Joao Pedro*

10. Palmer reacts to Trump joining Chelsea trophy lift.*

11. Defender Mosquera agrees terms with Arsenal

12. What comes next for Wales after Euro 2025?

That's a lot of interest for a supposedly less important tournament. And by their own admission (see above), they already know visitors to its CWC stories are 50% less than they'd usually get for the Champions League. But they seem to feel obliged to focus at least half their real estate on this event. Why? Well, its surely because the BBC has literally no other reason to focus on the CWC other than a belief it is of public interest, certainly to those looking up "Football". The BBC's legally mandated mission being to inform, educated and entertain. And you just know that they would be loathe to overshadow the women's game with Infantino's vanity project, if they could possibly help it. Apparently they can't. And it's not a matter of timing either, since England women literally played a Euro 2025 game at the same time the CWC was held. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 17:40, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose This debate about whether this is a big tournament or a tournament with a big prize jackpot is currently moot - there's absolutely nothing written as a match summary, which is a bare essential for presenting any sports event as the pinnacle of Wikipedia's coverage of news events. I politely say to the user who is enthusiastic about getting this posted: I would be happy to re-consider my position once there is a match summary! Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:43, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Seeing it be dismised by Wikipedia as not even a real football match, let alone an important final, rather dampens the enthusiasm to write a match summary for Wikipedia. Probably better to let people read the reports of websites that recognise what it was (and what it was not) in a fair and impartial way. Let Wikipedia be the stats guys (and gals?) that feed the AI bots for no apparent global benefit (because if the Internet knows anything, it's football stats). CFCFOUREVA (talk) 19:56, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  This excellent match report [9] by ESPN (via Reuters) shows where Wikipedia is being biased in much of the above opposition. The only time it mentions the Premier League or UEFA Conference League is to make it clear that a mere 4th place finish in one and even a win in the other, doesn't add up to the kind of prestige that means you could or should be able to win this effectively brand new tournament. It also makes it clear that the unique chance to see a Brazilian team (Botafogo) successfully beat PSG in a game that matters, in the group stage of this tournament, is what other teams, like a Chelsea, can then use to exploit PSG's "slight weaknesses" to crush their dreams of winning this tournament. Try getting that at your local football summer camp or at your favourite team's pre-season friendlies. It of course literally can't happen at any UEFA competition or the actual World Cup. Which is the point. But hey, that group stage game was only watched by 53,699 people. You get bigger crowds at Premier League games. Well, five of them anyway. The other fifteen stadia would be too small, including the League's newest (Bramley Dock) and the stadium of all conquering (until they weren't) Manchester City. Most importantly of all, it contains absolutely no excuses for PSG. Not Infantino, not FIFA, nothing. They just lost to a better team in a genuinely hard fought game. And even if they go on to get their revenge in a supposedly more prestigious tournament, it won't be the same. Chelsea will still be World Champs. Until Real Madrid win it in Spain in 2029 infront of the King and 80,000 adoring capital city dwellers, perhaps (will that make it a more significant tournament in some people's eyes, I wonder?) CFCFOUREVA (talk) 20:39, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  @CFCFOUREVA This is your 19th comment in this chain, which consists of almost your entire contributing history to enwiki thus far (WP:SPA, anyone?). Please stop WP:BLUDGEONING the thread, you won’t change the clear consensus by simply shouting louder than everyone else. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:09, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  I am not shouting. Instead of trying to shut me up, how about you ask yourself whether all you have done here with your apparently unchallengeable opinions, is ensure Wikipedia remains wholly biased to the European perspective? This idea that football is only important if it is played at times and places and between teams that matter to Europeans. So says TNT Sports, for example [10], albeit thankfully at least not in their voice. That's not surprising, since there's money for TNT in pushing this absurd idea that even the third ranked UEFA tournament is more important than the only tournament that sees non-UEFA teams pitted against European sides in meaningful competitive football. The sad irony of all the opposition above is that now the CWC is over, the only time you're ever going to see such things for the next four years, really is in mickey mouse pre/post-season friendly tournaments organised by petrostates for the purposes of sportswashing and further enriching the already very rich by exploiting fans. So called "tournaments" with quite literally zero sporting merit, and the resulting complete lack of interest from those not being paid to promote such slop. CFCFOUREVA (talk) 06:06, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

  Goodness me. I just said there wasn't a match report on the Wikipedia article. The response: yet another wall of text arguing about notability. Just one percent of the effort put into arguing with me (literally over nothing) could have produced the match report I requested to change my mind. Please: a good argument is to refute the other's central point. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:31, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose A money-grabbing sideshow that hasn't really got the world interested. Needs more WP:SUSTAINED before we can consider adding it to the list. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 20:17, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per C of E. Khuft (talk) 20:23, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. No match summary. (Why were the yellow & red cards handed out? There was a fight on the pitch? Trump overstepped? The article is silent.) BLUDGEONing also leaves a bad taste. Moscow Mule (talk) 01:45, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose - While it's evidently a prominent title in terms of the field of competitors, this hasn't yet reached the level of coverage and integration that I'd expect to see for a sporting title that we'd want to post alongside staples such as the FA Cup or the FIFA World Cup. GenevieveDEon (talk) 06:38, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose not significant in the football world, heck a way of showing significance would be who owns the streaming rights, its DAZN a (globally) minor streaming service. If the major local streaming services don't think the rights are worth it, that shows that viewership and interest isn't there. Lavalizard101 (talk) 12:17, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

  While I agree on lack of contextual significance, broadcast rights in this case is a poor argument. DAZN has oil money and will have easily outbid other services for the rights, likely to try and boost its reputation within football. We can’t judge the interest based on DAZN alone. Kingsif (talk) 14:07, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose First on quality, article is not sufficient. Second, on notability. Ignoring the …debate… over whether it makes Chelsea the best ever or is just an Infantino money and ego scheme (which he has openly admitted), there are a lot of football tournaments that we do and do not post for various reasons, with prestige typically being a kind of tiebreaker. If we assume the arguments for and against the importance at a pure footballing level are equal, let’s go to our judgement of prestige. On this, as I see it: besides this new reinvention, you only hear about the Club World Cup in terms of it being one of the trophies completing Barcelona’s famed sextuple. Dare I say if it was the only trophy - or one of only two or three - they won that season, it wouldn’t be bothered to be included. I’m sure other clubs have won an iteration of it, but I couldn’t tell you who or when, because it is not sufficiently prestigious to be mentioned in RS alongside other titles for those clubs. There is a chance it will become more prestigious, but as of now, if arguments for the current iteration are tied, the overall event is not so prestigious to overcome that. Kingsif (talk) 12:51, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD/Blurb: Muhammadu Buhari

Article: Muhammadu Buhari (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former President of Nigeria Muhammadu Buhari (pictured) dies at the age of 82 (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)
• Updated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: On the ground reports indicate the death of former Nigerian president. We will have wait for official confirmation from international press. Heatrave (talk) 16:38, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

His death is being confirmed by RS such as BBC, Associated Press and Reuters. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Blurb. As the two-time leader for a total of ten years, of the sixth-most populated country in the world, I think this should be a fairly clearcut blurb on significance. Quality is probably close to being there, which is rare for an article of this nature... a few citations needed here and there.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:24, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  Blurb - the only person this year I’ve seen at RD that I’ve actually recognized solely by name. ^EF⁵ 19:30, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose The article has had an orange cleanup tag for months and seems to have structural problems. It seems quite bloated with over 50 sections and some of them seem to ramble. The article's lead, on the other hand, seems too short and doesn't adequately summarise the huge body. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb on notability, weak oppose on quality for now. Former head of state of a major regional power with 230 million people. Article is alright, but has structural problems (as Andrew Davidson noted), some CN tags, and an orange tag on one of the sections. -insert valid name here- (talk) 20:29, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb on notability, oppose on quality per above. Two-time leader of a major regional power, serving as both a dictator and a democratically-elected President - seems like a fairly obvious blurb. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:19, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Blurb - a rare no brainer. Nfitz (talk) 21:20, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb Probably the most important modern leader of Nigeria, having been leader for 10 years as both a dictator and a president. --SpectralIon 23:26, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Support well-known public figure and nigerian states man, rest in peace. QalasQalas (talk) 23:35, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb Notorious national leader. ArionStar (talk) 23:45, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality with a big orange tag on the controversies section. And I tend to agree with Andrew that there seems to be a lot of bloat to the article where there are already separate articles for some of the periods of his life. Masem (t) 23:48, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb OLDMANDIES. Manner of death not notable. Not serving at time of death. No direct impact This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:27, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  We list the deaths of former leaders, such as Jimmy Carter. Rushtheeditor (talk) 06:41, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  I oppose all deathblurbs where the death as an event is not notable, since otherwise it should just live on the RD line. Notable deaths include serving heads of state, assassinations, and the like. Old men dying is not news. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 09:27, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

This user (and a few others) oppose all death blurbs, with the OLDMANDIES rationale, so this is not an isolated case or prejudice against "smaller" countries. Natg 19 (talk) 07:03, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb on notability - One of the most influential modern figures in one of the world's most populous countries.

Youraveragearmy (talk) 17:56, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb Former president and notable/influential political leader in Africa. Article is on overall good quality if not for the controversy section but I remember years ago where there was a nom with the same issue and the solution was to remove the section entirely. Is that a good move here? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:10, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  No, given at one point he was considered a dictator. Some of those subsection may not be needed, but there are definitely controversies that should be kept on the bio page. Masem (t) 19:42, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support blurb clearly notable subject. Shadow4dark (talk) 19:39, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support blurb given his vast influence over Nigerian politics since the 1980s, and his various stints in power. Article looks comprehensive, and length is justified given the very prominent and varied role he played in Nigeria. Khuft (talk) 20:28, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Support Blurb looks fine to me, clearly notable Hungry403 (talk) 21:40, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Removing the marker ready tag. The orange on the controversies section is still there, blocking the posting as RD or blurb. Masem (t) 23:03, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Masem: what would you have us do about that? The tag was added as a drive-by comment with no accompanying talk page discussion or detailed rationale as to why what's written there is inappropriate, other than that it is a "controversies" section. And Wikipedia:Criticism is an essay only, so there's certainly no hard rule against such sections existing at all. I'd suggest this is unactionable and it shuld be marked "Ready" again, the article is in pretty good shape.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:09, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

  There was an orange tag on that section as of early June if not earlier, so it's not like that tag was added because of his death. It needs to resolved. Most common is the try to integrate the material into other sections or decide how significant the material actual is for inclusion. From my reading there are major points here so the section can't be wiped away like it was no problem, but there could easily be trimming and moving of content. Masem (t) 23:38, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

  To add, it looks like it was added in late May [11], with the rationale of what needs to be fixed explained in that edit summary. So its definitely not appropriate to call it just a drive by tagging. Masem (t) 00:18, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

  And to add more, several of those controversies can be placed into other sections of the article, while some like the 33 suitcases one seems extremely minor as to not even need mention. Masem (t) 00:29, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

New World Heritage Sites

Article: List of World Heritage Sites by year of inscription#2025 (47th session) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 47th session of the UNESCO World Heritage Committee adds 26 sites to the World Heritage List (Megaliths of Carnac, France, pictured), including the first sites in Guinea-Bissau and Sierra Leone (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, Der Spiegel, ARD Tagesschau, France 24, The Hindu
Credits:

• Nominated by Khuft (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Eray08yigit (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: World Heritage Committee added 26 new sites to the World Heritage List over the past three days. The bolded article links to the segment of that details this years additions. While the article itself is a list, most of the nominated sites have detailed pages of their own, and we could change the featured site and picture on a daily basis. This year's crop included iconic sites such as Neuschwanstein and Knossos, as well as less well-known ones like the Xixia Tombs, Mount Mulange and the Bijagos Archipelago (the first site for Guinea-Bissau) Khuft (talk) 18:25, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Support. Nice to have something other than wars or natural disasters ITN. Celjski Grad (talk) 18:38, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality the target article is a list that literally just lists the places- not enough to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:47, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality due to complete lack of prose. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:01, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  I know this is a somewhat different kind of proposal compared to what we usually post. However, I would argue that adding prose on the WHC committee meeting just for adding prose is not really that interesting for readers (and the rest of the page doesn't have prose summaries for past committee meetings either), nor is having a stand-alone page for it. These committee meetings are only of niche interest - adding fluff prose on them wouldn't really be encyclopaedic.They key is that the page references the various sites that were added to the World Heritage list, helping users to discover them on their own (and we could feature a different one every day). While WP:ITNQUALITY dislikes lists, it qualifies it with "usually" - and I would argue this is one of those unusual cases where it could be interesting for readers to go for a different approach than we usually do. Khuft (talk) 19:25, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose on significance. Looking at the linked page, it seems like there are sites added every year, so there is nothing unusual or newsworthy about this. If any of the sites are of particular interest and particularly in the news for any reason, then that could be individually discussed, but I see no value in simply mentioning that 26 sites were added.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:28, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose I'd like to support this as it's encyclopedic in nature but I'm not seeing any news coverage and the nomination doesn't list any sources. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:23, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  Sorry, you're right, I should have added news sources. Done so now. Khuft (talk) 20:41, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. I think we've had this discussion before. New sites are added every year and this is as much story as it gets, in view of the updated article. Individual sites and country lists are of course another story, but also difficult to find a target for ITN. On the other hand, delisting WHS is an ITN-level story, as it happened with Liverpool and Elbe Valley. --Tone 07:24, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Soft oppose since there isn't a target article, but I am sympathetic towards adding this. Scuba 22:28, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: Kota Srinivasa Rao

Article: Kota Srinivasa Rao (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNBC TV18
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:C96A:E0B:731C:3B1F (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sekhemty (talk · give credit), Editor Mery (talk · give credit) and LexiFixer (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Veteran Telugu actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:C96A:E0B:731C:3B1F (talk) 14:30, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Insufficient sourcing. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:20, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Wimbledon 2025

Article: 2025 Wimbledon Championships (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, Iga Świątek (pictured) and Jannik Sinner win the women's and men's singles respectively at the Wimbledon Championships. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In tennis, Iga Świątek (pictured) and Jannik Sinner win the women's and men's singles respectively at the Wimbledon Championships.
News source(s): NYT/Athletic, NPR
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Figured we'd get the metaphorical ball rolling on this, with Swiatek already having won the women's title and the men's title being up for grabs tomorrow morning. The Kip ^(contribs) 01:41, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Not sure what the point of preemptively nominating an ITNR is. Since ITNR are already presumed to be important enough to post, the sole criteria for discussion here is whether the article is updated and of suitable quality to be ready to be posted on the main page, which it is very obviously not because the event hasn’t even happened yet. RachelTensions (talk) 02:13, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Signficiant lack of prose both on the suggested page and on the mens' and womens' championship series. Masem (t) 02:21, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

comment there needs to be some sort of discussion on this because these ITNR articles keep getting misssd because the articles dont warrant prose just to fit ITN. Its standardized there.Sportsnut24 (talk) 03:26, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

If editors are just making tables of results without any significant prose, that's a failing of WP:NOT#STATS. If these articles at ITNR have been failing their ITNC nomination on a regular basis due to the poor quality of the article, that's reason to remove them. From a quick check of the articles while we posted 2015 Wimbledon Championships, the 2016 were not posted due to lack of prose, and has been that way since. Masem (t) 13:23, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose For one thing, it's a massive violation of MOS:FLAGCRUFT with 350 instances of inappropriate flag-waving as the players represent themselves rather than countries. And it doesn't seem to cover the stories which I heard as major items in the news – the chances of Novak Djokovic and some operator error with the electronic line-calling. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:07, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  @Andrew Davidson it's actually not flagcruft, players are usually listed with their countries in tennis tournaments.

As for your other complaint, I figured such an experienced ITN contributor as yourself would know that we almost never add trivia items to blurbs, but perhaps my expectations were wrong. The Kip ^(contribs) 15:42, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I think Andrew was stating that the article itself doesn't cover those facets mentioned, not that the blurb should have those. Masem (t) 15:47, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Ah, my bad. I still disagree with the flagcruft comment, however. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:23, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose - for ITN standards this is a stub or start-class article in terms of readable, non-statistic prose. ^EF⁵ 13:27, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose like almost all tennis articles nominated here, not enough prose about the event itself. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:16, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose due to almost complete lack of article prose. Celjski Grad (talk) 20:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment @Masem, EF5, Joseph2302, and Celjski Grad: I've proposed an altblurb with the individual singles bolded as opposed to the main Championships article, since your opposes were based on a lack of prose in the main article. The individual articles seem to have a bit more prose. Do you think that would maybe be better to post? Aydoh8^{[what have I done now?]} 13:49, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Neither are long enough. ^EF⁵ 13:51, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Strongly oppose this approach- it's an effort to bypass the main problem, which is that the main article is junk. The main article is the one that is WP:ITNR, that is the one that should be fixed and posted. This is an attempt to do the least amount of work to try and push this through, whereas Wikipedia is clear that content should be on main article and not sub articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:00, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Also those articles aren't good enough either, because not enough prose and all the prose is in lead. And not actual tournament summaries, but endless stats and trivia. But they, nice attempt to violate MOS and bypass doing actual article improvement..... Joseph2302 (talk) 14:02, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

  Isn't this WP:UNDUEWEIGHT to a specific tournament? Howard the Duck (talk) 14:04, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

July 12

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July 12, 2025 (2025-07-12) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukraine infrastructure Russia launches 597 drones and 26 cruise missiles across Ukraine, killing two civilians in Chernivtsi, injuring 20 others, and damaging infrastructure in several cities. (ABC News) (Reuters) Arts and culture List of World Heritage Sites UNESCO adds 26 landmarks to the UNESCO World Heritage list. (UNESCO World Heritage Convention) (Newsweek) Disasters and accidents Three people, including a baby, are killed and twenty people are hospitalized in an apartment fire in Ankara, Turkey. (AP) International relations Foreign relations of New Caledonia, Politics of New Caledonia Representatives of New Caledonia sign an accord with the French government to become the "State of New Caledonia" within the French Republic, subject to a referendum. The new state would immediately gain control of some foreign affairs, and would have the option of gaining further powers, subject to further referenda. (Al Jazeera) (The New York Times) Tariffs in the second Trump administration United States president Donald Trump announces a 30% tariff increase on imported items from Mexico and the European Union to take effect on August 1. (BBC News) Law and crime Five men are lynched after being accused of robbing damaged homes in the Mw 5.7 earthquake in Santa María de Jesús, Guatemala, earlier this week. (Al Jazeera) Sports 2025 Wimbledon Championships In tennis, Iga Świątek defeats Amanda Anisimova in the women's singles final 6–0, 6–0 to win her first Wimbledon title, becoming the first Pole to do so. This is the third major final to have a double bagel scoreline and the first since 1988. (The Independent) (WTA)

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New Status for New Caledonia

Article: New Caledonia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Representatives from New Caledonia and the French Republic agree to establish a State of New Caledonia within France. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ An agreement is announced for a future referendum on New Caledonian statehood while remaining a part of France.
News source(s): The GuardianLe Monde France Info
Credits:

• Nominated by Khuft (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Compromise agreement for new status for New Caledonia, after a fraught multi-decade process. Announcement was yesterday (Saturday 12. July) but accord will have to be submitted to French Parliament and referendum in New Caledonia. Still: it's in the news now. New Caledonia article has short paragraph that provides update. Khuft (talk) 12:33, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support: This is a big step forward for the New Caledonia status process, and has been big news. --Grnrchst (talk) 14:01, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Target page should be to be a new article for the "State of New Caledonia", or another blurb needs to be formulated. New Caledonia article is for the current polity, and doesn't focus on future autonomy. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:21, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  Given that there is still a few vote obstacles to overcome before the state officially exists, it doesn't make sense to have a standalone page yet. Masem (t) 15:35, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  We didn't create a standalone article for the ICC indictment of the Afghan leaders either. Khuft (talk) 16:00, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, that blurb links to the Taliban leaders, the actual subjects of the blurb. The link proposed here is to the New Caledonia article, not "State of New Caledonia" or the new pact. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 00:33, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose If they actually create the State of New Caledonia, then the day it first exists should be when it's posted (with a separate article about the new state). Joseph2302 (talk) 16:37, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• In particular, just because this has been announced, this doesn't even guarantee it will happen- as it needs to pass French Parliament later this year- and doesn't even really explain what the State means. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:22, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support. Notable subject, reasonably high quality article, recently updated, and currently in the news. It would be great if the blurb could indicate what a "state" means in this context. When the new state is formed, that can be posted too. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 17:03, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  As France uses "administrative regions" rather than states like the US, "state" here I think reasonably implies a top-level national state than a sub-national state. That said, we generally wait on events like these to the point where there is no question that the state will happen, and since there's at least two vote milestones to happen, this seems premature, unless we have stronger sourcing that calls this historic or extremely likely to happen. Masem (t) 17:39, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  Comments about what we generally do are unhelpful, as is any other type of unspoken rule. "This is the way we've always done it" is how bad practices are enshrined when there's no better argument for them. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 18:30, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  It's useful to defer to convention rather than having to spell it out each time, but of course people can challenge it. Although I agree with Masem that it's premature since it's not guaranteed/very likely, would look silly posting this and it not happening Kowal2701 (talk) 19:07, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose The article explains that New Caledonia already "forms a sui generis collectivity of the French Republic, a legal status unique in overseas France, and is enshrined in a dedicated chapter of the French Constitution." It doesn't make it clear how the new État name would change this and my impression is that there would be little practical difference. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:38, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I added a link to France Info, which provides more details. New Caledonians would get their own nationality (in addition to French), could get a new flag, currency, anthem, and could seek recognition from other states. So it's not nothing. Khuft (talk) 20:03, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Other than the currency, I don't see anything on that list that they couldn't already do. And nationality is generally organic - lots of different nations within Canada for example. What's the timeframe on the currency? I'm surprised they want to abandon the Euro. Nfitz (talk) 21:16, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

They currently use the CFP franc, not the Euro. I presume they could decide to introduce an own currency then. The change is actually more substantive than it appears - they would also gain autonomy on defense (which is a big one!), inner security (i.e. without French interference), and justice. Agree that some of the other ones are more cosmetic, though the flag one has been a bone of contention for some time (the French one is co-official with the New Caledonian one, currently; presumably they would keep only the NC one). All in all, it sounds to me to be a status a bit similar to the one of the Cook Islands - quasi independent, but not fully. Khuft (talk) 21:36, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

A major change is New Caledonia's control over its foreign affairs. Al Jazeera: "Under the agreement, New Caledonia would immediately control its foreign policy, ... potentially paving the way to becoming a member state of the United Nations." Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 13:47, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support A large step towards independence, per above. --SpectralIon 23:29, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. If or when this actually happens it'll warrant a blurb but not quite yet as nothing's actually happened so far. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 23:49, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Chorchapu and Joseph. — ^EF⁵ 00:44, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose This story isn't finished yet, so renominate once it actually becomes a state. Departure– (talk) 01:46, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Created an altblurb to remedy my earlier concerns ("An agreement is announced for a future referendum on New Caledonian statehood while remaining a part of France.") with a target to the Bougival Accord article, but will go with a Weak Oppose. This development still requires approval from the fourth referendum within a decade. While this deal is historic for decolonization, we should wait for the outcome of the vote (planned for next year, if it happens) and a follow-up blurb on eventual statehood (if it happens). Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 13:42, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support, this is a substantial political development in a decades-long conflict/dispute. The outcome is reasonably unique (best not to get fixated on the terminology, which will likely be self-defining). Waiting for complete independence is a ridiculously high bar. The agreement itself is very newsworthy in its own right, it is something that happened. That there will likely be future developments does not mean the current events are not worth noting. CMD (talk) 13:52, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose/Wait until the actual referendum happens - this isn't a done deal like it's being presented as, merely a preliminary agreement still subject to approval by both the French parliament and the people of New Caledonia. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:23, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Wait until it goes into effect. Scuba 22:27, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Maulana Khan Zeb

Article: Maulana Khan Zeb (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DAWN
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

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 Ainty Painty (talk) 09:15, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Support, article looks good, other than the confusing literary contribution titles. Celjski Grad (talk) 11:03, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support - A bit thin, but postable. Jusdafax (talk) 08:27, 15 July 2025 (UTC)′
• Support Article quality is sufficient. Marking as ready. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:26, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

July 11

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July 11, 2025 (2025-07-11) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine United States president Donald Trump confirms plans to sell weapons to NATO allies to be provided to Ukraine after the Pentagon previously paused weapon shipments. (Axios) (PBS) Israeli settler violence Israeli settlers kill two Palestinians near Ramallah in the West Bank. One of the victims, identified as a Palestinian-American, was beaten to death whilst the other victim was shot in the chest. (Reuters) Myanmar civil war At least 23 civilians, including four children, are killed and about 30 others are injured, with ten critically injured, in an Air Force strike on a Buddhist monastery in the District of Sagaing, located in the Sagaing Region of Myanmar. (ABC News) Yemeni civil war At least five children are killed after an explosive device detonates in Al-Hashamah, Taiz Governorate, Yemen. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Ecuadorian security crisis Los Choneros gang leader José Adolfo Macías Villamar agrees to a request of Ecuador's National Court for extradition to the United States to face trial for drug trafficking and arms smuggling. (CNN) (Reuters) Mexican drug war Ovidio Guzmán López, son of the former drug lord Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán, pleads guilty to two counts of drug distribution and two counts of participation in a continuing criminal enterprise. He is expected to cooperate with the U.S. government by providing information on criminal networks. (Reuters) (Chicago Tribune)

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RD: Raymond Guiot

Article: Raymond Guiot (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Flute almanac
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: French flutist who did it all, principal flute of the Paris Opera for decades, prolific jazz player, many recordings, influential teacher. The article was there but few refs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: Donald Rose

Article: Donald Rose (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
• Created by Thief-River-Faller (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 51.7.26.235 (talk · give credit) and Thief-River-Faller (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Oldest British WWII veteran. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 15:08, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is too small. We don't post stubs. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:59, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: Toni Cruz

Article: Toni Cruz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTVE
Credits:

• Nominated by Alexcalamaro (talk · give credit)
• Created by Thief-River-Faller (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Television producer and former member of the comic trio La Trinca. Alexcalamaro (talk) 21:05, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose for now; currently a stub. ForsythiaJo (talk) 15:35, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: Sayfollah Musallet

Article: Killing of Sayfollah Musallet (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Laura240406 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Palestinian American man killed after a confrontation with Israeli settlers. Thriley (talk) 18:34, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose for the moment; currently a stub. ForsythiaJo (talk) 21:00, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose as a stub; also not sure if we normally consider "Killing/Death of ..." or other non-biographical articles for RD. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:36, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose due to it being a stub. I also have my doubts about whether this is notable. — ^EF⁵ 00:39, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose on the basis that its not a biographical article and since the precedence we didn't do one for the Democracy Manifest man on similar grounds means I would have to say no on this one. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:12, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  It is a terrible shame he didn't make it. Thriley (talk) 00:25, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: Iris Williams

Article: Iris Williams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:544D:23CC:E893:3447 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ItsShandog (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Welsh jazz singer. Her death announced on 11 July. 240F:7A:6253:1:544D:23CC:E893:3447 (talk) 10:29, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose for now, needs more sources. ForsythiaJo (talk) 21:02, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: David Gergen

Article: David Gergen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Pyramids09 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Advisor to 4 US Presidents and a CNN analyst. Article seems well-sourced. Pyramids09 (talk) 02:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Article is almost there, but there's one CN tag and the nonprofit/advisory sections are solely sourced to his own website. The Kip ^(contribs) 01:08, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  @The Kip: I've fixed the the one cn tag. I don't think the nonprofit section is controversial in any way or states anything that a secondary source wouldn't say, so I would say having a primary source is still better than none or purging the section, I don’t think that should barr it from RD posting on its own. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:01, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article is in good shape, not seeing any major problems that would hold up posting. Bluemarsman (talk) 02:54, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ian Blair

Article: Ian Blair (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article quality seems okay, but reports about his death are still fresh, so exact date of death is unclear. Natg 19 (talk) 17:56, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support - I was just about to nominate this myself. Article is of good quality (currently rated B class) and I can't see any issues with references. harrz ^talk 17:58, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support DoD: 9 July 2025. Source: Met. Solid article. Grimes2 04:10, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Very good article. Might even be a candidate for above its current B-class status. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:04, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Ready per above. Jusdafax (talk) 18:25, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: Natg 19 (talk) 01:07, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 01:17, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Karachi building collapse

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Article: 2025 Karachi building collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A five-story residential block collapsed due to structural damage in Karachi, killing at least 27 people and injuring more than 10. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, Al Jazeera, ABC, DW, AP, Arab News,
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Created by Vaspuraqan (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 17:34, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose Believe this is stale, collapse happened a week ago and not really being covered by news anymore qw3rty 17:37, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

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July 10

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July 10, 2025 (2025-07-10) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israeli–Palestinian conflict Gaza war Israeli bombing of the Gaza Strip Israeli airstrikes kill at least 15 Palestinians, including eight children and two women, queuing for nutritional supplements near a medical point in Deir al-Balah, Gaza. They were among at least 82 killed in strikes in Gaza. The Israel Defense Forces said in a statement that it struck a member Hamas's elite Nukhba forces who took part in the October 7 attacks. (BBC News) (Al Jazeera) Palestinian political violence Two Palestinians kill a 20-year-old Israeli settler in a combined shooting and stabbing attack at the Gush Etzion Mall in the Israeli-occupied West Bank. (YNet) Russian invasion of Ukraine Kyiv strikes An overnight Russian missile and drone attack on Kyiv, Ukraine, kills two people, injures 28 others, and causes fires across the capital with multiple districts targeted. 397 drones and 18 missiles are launched in total. (BBC News) (The Kyiv Independent) Nigerian bandit conflict At least 30 bandits, five security officers and one civilian are killed during an insurgent attack on three villages in Faskari, Katsina State, Nigeria. (AP) (Reuters) International relations Armenia–Azerbaijan relations, Nagorno-Karabakh conflict Armenian prime minister Nikol Pashinyan and Azerbaijani president Ilham Aliyev meet in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, for peace talks regarding the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. (Reuters) France–United Kingdom relations French president Emmanuel Macron and United Kingdom prime minister Keir Starmer announce a joint migration deal for the UK to deport illegal migrants to France in exchange for accepting asylum seekers with British family connections. (DW) Law and crime Irish Amateur Swimming Association abuse scandal Former swimming coach George Gibney agrees to be extradited from the United States to Ireland to face trial for indecent assault and rape. (RTÉ) The United Kingdom's National Crime Agency arrests four people for conducting cyberattacks as part of an organized crime ring against national retailers Marks & Spencer, Harrods, and Co-op Food. (AP) In a case concerning regulations requiring the South African athlete Caster Semenya to decrease her natural testosterone levels to be allowed to participate in the female category, the European Court of Human Rights finds that Switzerland violated her right to a fair hearing, requiring the case to be sent back to Swiss courts. (ECHR) (CNN) Politics and elections Labour in India Sporadic clashes occur in East India between trade unionists and left-wing groups against police and Trinamool Congress supporters during a current general strike opposing the "Special Intensive Revision". (ABP) Von der Leyen Commission II European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen survives a vote of confidence at the European Parliament. (CNN)

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(Ready) RD: Frank Barrie

Article: Frank Barrie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent, Scott Marshall Partners
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by ItsShandog (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British actor with a long career in theatre and television. ItsShandog (talk) 11:15, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose As of now, multiple uncited statements that I will tag. Getting close to shape, but not there yet. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 06:48, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

  Thank you — Citations have been added where needed, everything should now be properly sourced. ItsShandog (talk) 11:22, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

  A few more CN tags added: 2 in main body, 2 in televsision, and 1 in personal life. Curbon7 (talk) 22:28, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

  Citations added. ItsShandog (talk) 09:29, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

  Sorry! It was 11 PM at night where I was and I had to go to bed so I couldn't catch all the united statements. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 02:48, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support Good article, aforementioned issues all fixed. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:02, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
• Only the year of birth is referenced; please provide a source for day and month. Schwede66 01:23, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

  Done. ItsShandog (talk) 04:00, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support per Abcmaxx, the article is ready. Jusdafax (talk) 08:13, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment marked as ready (which can also be considered a support from me). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:58, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

July 9

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July 9, 2025 (2025-07-09) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Somali Civil War 2025 Shabelle offensive 2025 Jaalle Siyaad military academy bombing Several people are killed and injured in a suicide bombing targeting the 14th October Brigade of the Somali Armed Forces at a military academy in Mogadishu, Somalia. Al-Shabaab claims responsibility for the attack. (Reuters) (Hiiraan Online) (Somali Guardian) At least seven Kenyan police officers are injured after an al-Shabaab roadside bomb strikes their patrol truck on a highway east of Mandera in Kenya, near the border with Somalia. (Hiiraan Online) Red Sea crisis Houthi attacks on commercial vessels Attacks on the Eternity C The Eternity C, a Liberian-flagged ship, sinks in the Red Sea after being attacked by the Houthis on Monday. At least four people are killed, seven others are rescued and fourteen are reported missing. A rescue operation is underway. (The Guardian) (NOS) Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Russian forces launch 728 Geran-2 drones at Ukraine overnight in the largest single drone attack of the war to date. (Newsweek) Business and economy Tariffs in the second Trump administration U.S. president Donald Trump announces a 50% tariff on most imports into the United States from Brazil starting August 1, in a letter addressed to Brazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and citing the trial of former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro. (Reuters) President Trump also announces a new set of tariff rates on imports from Algeria, Brunei, Iraq, Libya, Moldova, the Philippines, and Sri Lanka, assigning country-specific duties ranging from 20 to 30% following the expiration of a 90-day negotiation period. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2025 Guatemala earthquakes At least six people die when a Mw 5.7 earthquake strikes Guatemala and causes widespread damage. (ABC News) At least thirteen people are killed and nine others are injured after a section of the Gambhira Bridge in Gujarat, India, partially collapses during morning rush hour. (The Times of India) (NDTV) International relations United States and the United Nations The United States issues sanctions against Francesca Albanese, the United Nations special rapporteur for human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories. (NPR) The Syrian minister of foreign affairs Asaad al-Shaibani announces the country's readmission to the Union for the Mediterranean after 13 years of its suspension. (ARK News) Law and crime 2024 South Korean martial law crisis The Seoul Central District Court issues an arrest warrant for former South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol over five key charges related to his short-lived martial law declaration on December 3, 2024, placing him in custody for the first time since March due to concerns of evidence tampering. (Yonhap) Censorship in Turkey Turkey partially bans certain contents from X (formerly Twitter)'s AI chatbot Grok amid a criminal probe over insults to Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and the country's founder Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. (Reuters)

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RD: Glen Michael

Article: Glen Michael (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, Scotsman, STV
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Drchriswilliams (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit) and Crazyseiko (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Scottish television presenter and entertainer with a career in television spanning several decades. Drchriswilliams (talk) 19:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support Seems to have been the much-loved equivalent of Uncle Mac or Mister Rogers. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support - A thorough article with fine citations. Looks ready to me. Jusdafax (talk) 08:18, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
• Comment AGF that the offline source supports his DOB. A few CN tags. Curbon7 (talk) 20:41, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

I agree with all those areas that have been flagged and taken action to remedy. The STV, Scotsman and The Times articles following his death have only given his birth date details as being the year 1926- I expect exact will date will be confirmed in print soon. I have added further sources where available and moved the remaining unsourced material to talk page. Drchriswilliams (talk) 21:28, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: Ihor Poklad

Article: Ihor Poklad (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Komersant
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Skoropadsky (talk · give credit) and Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ukrainian composer of iconic songs, later also music for theatre and films. The article was mostly there but based on only Ukrainian sources. Several English ones make it easier to verify. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support Article is of sufficient quality. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:52, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
• Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede66 01:20, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

   Done Grimes2 05:28, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support - Ready to post. Jusdafax (talk) 08:21, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lee Elia

Article: Lee Elia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:59DA:C946:E71C:2067 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Red0ctober22 (talk · give credit) and Buttons to Push Buttons (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former manager for the Chicago Cubs and Philadelphia Phillies. 240F:7A:6253:1:59DA:C946:E71C:2067 (talk) 12:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Not ready. Woefully under sourced. Natg 19 (talk) 16:10, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Much improved now, support. Natg 19 (talk) 17:23, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• I believe I've fully cited this now. If you wouldn't mind taking a look and seeing if it meets the ITN criteria now, I'd appreciate it, thanks! Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 14:45, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support: looks detailed and referenced to me --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support Article is of sufficient quality. Marking as ready. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:55, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 00:50, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: Ryan Reid

Article: Ryan Reid (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:59DA:C946:E71C:2067 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Alyo (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American professional basketball player, who played for the Florida State Seminoles, Tulsa 66ers and Oklahoma City Thunder. 240F:7A:6253:1:59DA:C946:E71C:2067 (talk) 12:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Not yet ready The career statistics are unsourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:38, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose The career statistics are unsourced and there's a citation needed tag in the professional career section. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:57, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Nvidia reaches $4T market capitalization

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Article: Nvidia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nvidia becomes the first publicly-traded company to reach $4 trillion in market capitalization (Post)
News source(s): [12]
Credits:

• Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
• Updated by CadeBrown (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: It closed beneath the mark, but the news is NVDA reaching the mark first. Banedon (talk) 08:44, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Oppose Arbitrary number, unimportant news (if it even qualifies as "news"). -- Kicking222 (talk) 10:06, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose arbitrary trivia, not ITN worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:32, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose market numbers just keep going up, we can't post every single milestone like this. Masem (t) 11:56, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose yeah, and it'll fall again. —Fortuna, imperatrix 12:58, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. I think this would fit more into the DYK section rather than a blurb. NotKringe (talk) 13:53, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  Oppose as trivial market data, but it's not a valid DYK candidate either, as Nvidia hasn't been 5x expanded or promoted to GA in the last few days. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:50, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Joe Coleman

Article: Joe Coleman (baseball, born 1947) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:8938:8025:9208:680 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American baseball player, who played the Washington Senators and Detroit Tigers. 240F:7A:6253:1:8938:8025:9208:680 (talk) 05:35, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

• Support - A solid B-class article with no tags, and good writing and sourcing throughout. Jusdafax (talk) 09:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
• Support - Article is in solid shape, and he was one of the best pitchers of the early 1970s (62 wins from 1971-73) and part of the first three-generation grandfather, father, son trio in Major League Baseball history. Cbl62 (talk) 14:50, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
• unreferenced DoB; ref #2 points to the wrong person Schwede66 17:47, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Fixed. DOB now has source. Cbl62 (talk) 21:28, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 00:50, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

RD: Frank Layden

Article: Frank Layden (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBA.com
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:8938:8025:9208:680 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Utah Jazz coach and general manager. 240F:7A:6253:1:8938:8025:9208:680 (talk) 05:28, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

• Not ready. Added refimprove tag, as it is missing a lot of references. Natg 19 (talk) 05:41, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
• Still too much footnote-deficient prose. Stats tables after the prose are also unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 00:01, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Humaira Asghar

Article: Humaira Asghar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Veritasphere (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Pakistani and model found dead in her Karachi apartment on 8 July 2025; her decomposed body was recovered during a court-ordered eviction. The death received significant coverage in Pakistani, Indian, and international media. Veritasphere (talk) 12:49, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Soft oppose; body looks well-cited at a glance, but the filmography table still needs more sources. ForsythiaJo (talk) 16:32, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

The filmography entries are indeed supported by citations already present in the main body of the article, particularly in the Career section. If needed, I can duplicate the relevant references directly into the table for clarity. Veritasphere (talk) 17:28, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Done. Veritasphere (talk) 06:15, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Noone contacted her for months and her own family didn't collect her remains. You gave her the respect any human being deserves, remembrance. Varoon2542 (talk) 09:45, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. I believe every individual deserves dignity, both in life and in memory. Veritasphere (talk) 12:53, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

• Note, posted 17:39, 11 July 2025 (UTC) by Schwede66. Natg 19 (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

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